Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by ◕‿‿◕ ViRaGisTe ®, Nov 29, 2012.
What impact on the metal/key market ?
The economy can be destroyed. Why, that's a pretty small impact.
So first you can basically have unlimited accounts for metal farming.
Now you can make hats out of bought hats.
Not pay to win, but it enforces even more that you can pay to make lots of dough in the economy. At least no one will notice if you bought a hat now... I think.
i feel sorry for the creators they just lost like 3000 USD just with the scarfs
What will happen with Merc Pride scarf? Since WH paid 20 keys each and is overstocked at 113.
I guess this explains the 100+ clean Merc's Pride Scarves in the WH now.
After releasing the premium gift, boosting the drops of craftable hats and miscs, it was just obvious. Anyway all craftable hats costs 1.33 refined in the black market, which is around 0,65 usd. Valve will only win.
Man, merc scarf and ball kicking boots owners must be so pissed right now.
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/50b7e43dba2536131e00004a 1.7 buds to 7 refined
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/50b7e3e3ba25365f29000040 2.4 buds to 1.5 keys
And inversely, the people who dumped those to the WH are now insanely rich.
They had helped inflate metal, now they help inflate hats.
I can imagine the influx of starter hats...
But it's a logical step anyways. I wonder why they didnt do it long before.
PS> I'm afraid it will lower prices of many wanted items like Kringle, All-Father, FL and LB.
Effectively killing crafting.
Great, now everything that would've been worth buying and trading to the bots is overstocked as hell.
Didn't act fast enough...
Greedy asses everywhere.
(No offense to you guys.)
Valve will gain a windfall of money of people buying scarves and boots to scam with, and the warehouse gives out several million credits. What will happen next?
Now will the uncraftable items become a sought-after rarity?
Exactly, now there are hundreds of users who have several million credits they can sell via WHX...
Not to forget, they could and can get all those rare items like the burnt diary and other stuff with ease. How am I (and other people of course) supposed to earn enough credits for a genuine Archimedes or a Robo-Sandvich now?
Buying them? Hell no, those asses
(I know, it's not really their fault and I would've done the same, although I would've bought like 3 rare items and nothing more, but come on, buying stuff to get a shitton of credits is just lame)
don't deserve my cash.
They'll always be dirty. Dirty = less valuable.
According to backpack.tf, some dirty items are already more valuable than clean ones, like a sharpened volcano fragment.
"Dirty" is a contrived word.
Uncraftableness is now technically not much different than Vintage, or similar no-longer-attainable attributes.
But yeah, the negative connotation will probably remain. loleconomics
sorry, meant uncraftable
Ok, so a few chessy profiteers did exploit a way to screw over the warehouse. But, I would like to think that the profit margin built in could absorb a hit like this......at least I hope so.
They sold the new craftable soccer items for 18-26 keys each. I wouldn't call it exploit. The warehouse just didn't respond to the patch changes.
assuming that each item gave away 200,000 credits per ball kicking boots/merc's pride scarf, and there are 240 of them total in stock, then the warehouse gave away 48 million credits practically free. Never mind about several million.
Gambler....poor choice of words on my part, but you know what I meant. The ones that did it clearly knew what they were doing.
The only way the warehouse could respond quick enough to situations like this, would be to shut down every time Valve patched the game. And the whiners would want to riot because they couldn't work the system to their benefit.
I'm not sure what math you're using to come up with that statement, because it's patently false. Craftable Vita-Saw is only worth 0.5 - 1 scrap. Uncraftable is almost a key.
Uncraftable vitasaw/volcano fragments were only obtainable by random chance after buying $20+ worth of mann co store items at once, and prior to the introduction of mann co packages. Hence they are quite pricey compared to other uncraftable weapons.
In other news, Valve announces that idling time restrictions are lifted and the drop rate has doubled. Also, genuine promos are added to the list of items that drop.
inflation of metal ad craft hats.Keys will skyrock ... correct me if Im wrong
idle time lifted .. what is that exactly ?
That's just crazy. The fact that it went from 6 ref to 1.7 buds in 1 month was bad enough. Now it went down to 5-6 keys because of 2 votes.
Both of these things got priced at an extremely inflated rate at a weird time.
Look at the item stats.
Some people call it humor.
Due to rarity, there's only a few available. Still the majority of collectors refuse to pay the price traders ask. The rest aren't rare. Dumb are you.
The rest may not be rare, but I wasn't talking about the rest -- I was talking about the few that are in fact more valuable than their clean versions. Even if the uncraftable Vita-Saw only sold for 1 rec, it would still be more valuable than a craftable Vita-Saw, which is still enough to make your statement false.
Yeah like I don't know about the vita-saws and some other uncraftable items. The moment I posted that I knew someone pretending to be a smartass would post about vita-saw.
There are more uncraftables that are more expensive than the clean ones. Still my statement isn't false because it applies to 99% of items.
So I can be just derping around in a random server and suddenly I can find a Genuine Sharp Dresser?
What's next, craftable stranges?
Yes, also bills and buds are now craftable.
TF2 Item Schema Update for November 30, 2012:
Unusual hats are now only tradable with gift wrap
Added crafting recipe allowing crafting two unusual hats to produce a random unusual hat
Random paints can now be crafted with two scrap
Hat crafting recipe now requires two refined metal instead of three
All craft numbers now appear in-game (instead of just #100 and below)
Dropped cosmetics now have 40% chance of being in Genuine quality
Dropped weapons now have 40% chance of being in Strange quality
Added Bill's Hat, Earbuds, and Max's Severed Head to the item drop list
Each trade performed now incurs a $0.50 charge on your Steam wallet
No, you'll find a crate full of sarcasm instead.
Old news for you: Strange weapons ARE craftable with other weapons.
I could craft a strange Scotsman's Skullcutter (bad uncrate) with another Demoman weapon and got scrap metal some weeks ago.
Confetti only *Robin troll face*
Why do I want this?
No, that'd make things too easy.
I don't like or take any craftnumbered stuff anyway, so whatever.
Make it happen, nao!
Meh. Feels like opening a crate every now and then...
ROOOOBIIIIIIIIIN!!!!!! *shakes fist*
If you weren't busy trying to be funny your brain wouldn`t use the available space, and you would understand my question.
I asked: " What is next, craftable stranges?"
Let me translate it for dumb people:
"What is next, people able to make their own stranges?".
There you go. Try thinking next time.
Actually, any logical person would have went to the same conclusion he did. "Craftable stranges" mean they can be crafted together. A craftable item means it can be used in crafting. A crafted item means it was crafted. What you should have said was "What's next, crafting stranges?" Then you couldn't complain. As is, your statement was pretty vague.
So then I did think in portuguese instead of english.
Thank you for the explanation.
You didn't say that it applies to 99% of items. You said "Dirty = less valuable." You did not say "most of the time, dirty = less valuable." The context in which you made your statement makes it clear that you meant 100% of the time:
What you are implying here is that even if uncraftable items become rarer than their craftable versions, they will always be less valuable. That is demonstrably false.
Their stock is already high enough for a very low demand.
I'm 99% sure you're joking but... dear Great Cheese Wheel! Why must you torture us in this way!?
Cheese does taste good, it's not torture.
You don't get my joke..... go glace at Sera for like two seconds.
Glace, as in some ice cream product?
I don't get this new joke either.
Wow, I think this defines you as a:
Dude. I wasn't correcting the misspelling. I was being a smart ass and clarifying the remark for the guy I quoted who didn't get it because of the missing n. I thought that was obvious, guess not.
I understood he meant glance in the first place. I guess next time I'll just rate a "bad spelling"
Nah, you weren't clarifying anything. You were feeding the troll. (Hence the gif.)